Response to: Do Good Fences Make Good Neighbors?
As a reader from the UK, I feel that writers in the USA should be VERY careful about expressing opinions about what Israel should do. Have you in the USA made full reparation to the Native Americans who you dispossessed, in breach of treaties, in the 19th Century? Have all Christians in the US publicly repented over the way the Native Americans were treated? If you feel it's right for Israel to give away half its land area, you should first do the same with half YOUR land area! And, like Abraham with Lot, give the Native Americans first choice over which half to take back. Manhattan? New York State? The whole Eastern seaboard?
When the State of Israel was created, by UN vote, in 1948, the Palestinians were offered land and statehood too. But they refused to accept it, preferring to wage war on Israel and to try to drive all Jews into the sea. Israel is already a tiny piece of land, with ever-growing pressure of population on what little land it has.
- K. A.
The US is making reparations to Native Americans. Have you ever heard of the National Indian Gaming Association? - Editor
I spent a summer in Israel in 1976 and have stayed in touch with ministries to Jews and Arabs for decades. This latest conflict with Saddam Hussein is so complex that it can't be so simply answered, but your "solution" is short-sighted at best and disastrous at worst. Study the responses by the Arabs to every proposal from every group which has sought to bring peace to the area. The United Nations proposals became heavily one-sided to the Arabs, proposing solutions completely unfair to Israel, especially in light of their victories in combats which were mostly initiated by the Arab states. "Atrocities" by Israelis have existed but pale in comparison to those atrocities committed against them. The refugee camps are not the Israelis fault. The Arab states could have easily absorbed their "brothers" but instead used them as propoganda weapons and now as literal weapons of suicide attacks against Israel and her supporters. Her supporters have fled from Israel when they've learned that they might pay a price for their support. We in the west in a supportive connection to Israel are viewed as "infidels" and "jihad" is encouraged against us. I don't argue that we (and the Israeli government) have made mistakes in relationships with the Arab states which have made us appear to be enemies. But I can also argue that we've made many mistakes in assuming that some Arabs states and leaders have been trustworthy. We erred greatly in allowing Yasser Arafat to assume so much power and influence and we're paying dearly for that. As much as I try to learn how and why we chose to attack Saddam Hussein I still feel totally inadequate to defend or oppose our government's decisions. They challenge me to pray to the sovereign God. - G. L.
Dinesh D'Souza while suggesting that the future
Palestine state should comprise of Gaza and the West
Bank has not mentioned the two most contentious issues
- that of East Jerusalem and the status of the Jewish
settlements in the West bank that Sharon is now
fencing off from the rest of the West bank; in other
words taking away some more territory from the
Palestinians.
The US political scence is such that no politician,
Republican, Democratic or Independent can dare
criticise Israel's "intransigence" and not be
instantly crucified by the media. Such is the power of
the Jewish lobby in the US ! How does D'Souza expect
the US government to take the honest broker stand that
he advocates ? That too from George Bush !
Only when Israelis tire of the violence inflicted on
them by Palestinians that they will be ready for
compromise and the moment for US "good offices" would
have arrived ! Israelis believe they are winning now
and hence will continue supporting Sharon - and if not
him, another right wing macho politician. They have no
patience for the plodding approach of Shimon Peres and
other "compromise" politicians. Their time will come
only when Israelis realise they cannot win peace and
security through a war of attrition and counter
terror. - H. P.
For my assessment of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I'm sure a number of readers will immediately label me as a "Christian Zionist". If that soothes one's moral conscience and lends one a false sense of intellectual superiority....so be it.
Mr. D'Souza touched on normally valid points in his article on the "Fences and Neighbors" issue. However, his folly is that he fails in his totally secular approach to consider that the God of Abraham made covenant with Abraham's descendants through Jacob(Israel), not Ishmael, that the land would belong to the Jews from the "river of Egypt to the river Euphrates". Now if there is a contention over the West Bank, it should realistically be over the west bank of the Euphrates, not the West Bank of the Jordan. And, if the Israelis were contending over that piece of real estate on the Euphrates, I would be the first one to label them as the aggressors. However, since the Almighty God put His seal on the land of Israel for His purpose, anyone....Arafat, Sharon, or Bush should consider the ultimate ramifications of breaching that "contract".
Since the Palestinians (Latin for "Philistine") were nomadic, trans-Jordanians, and none of their Arab "neighbors" refused to make room for them in their respective countries, it has behooved the Jews to allow them (Palestinians) to remain in Israel. And, the Jews were more than willing in the tradition of "good neighbors" to share their "home" with them, even to the point of allowing the Dome of the Rock to remain standing on the most holy site of the Jewish faith. That is until Arafat and his PLO thugs started killing school children on buses. So, now the Israeli's are building a fence to control potential threats from some of their Palestinian neighbors who might want to blow themselves up in a college student union, or outside a synagogue, or in a restaurant, or on an elementary school playground. Finally, if Mr. D'Souza and I were neighbors, living on either side of a homicidal maniac with the potential and intention to kill my children, I would be building a fence....a big fence. Mr. D'Souza might be a "good neighbor" by not building one, but at least I would the "live" neighbor.
- D. P.
"..both sides are going to have to give up something. Israel must give up the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians are going to have to give up complaining and accept that Israel is here to stay and has a right to protect itself."
- F. M.
I disagree with Dinesh D'Souza. Israel should not have to give up ANY land to ANYone. The Palestinians are pawns being used to incite hatred for Israel. They want NOTHING less than to destroy Israel from the face of the earth. There is much more under than the surface lie of fighting for land and autonomy. - S. G.
Your assert that “the only way for the Palestinians to have a viable state is for Israel to concede both the West Bank and Gaza. Once Israel gives that, it has satisfied the legitimate Palestinian claim to autonomy and statehood.” This is a gross oversimplification of the problem. Even without regard to on-going religious tensions, geography alone invalidates such a resolution. The Gaza Strip and the West Bank are separated by over fifty miles of undisputed Israeli territory. Traffic between them would be controlled entirely by Israeli jurisdiction. Something as basic and essential as the shipment of food or other essential products would become an international process. Can a nation survive while the lifeblood of daily commerce must flow through a foreign nation? Given the predictably precarious economy of any newly created sovereign state plus the historic animosity between Palestinians and Israel, a Gaza-West Bank Palestine “solution” would only create insuperable difficulties.
All other logistical considerations aside, the Israeli-Palestinian problem will not be resolved until the heart of the conflict is resolved. Like a man and wife who argue incessantly about side issues and never work on resolving the underlying problem, Israel and the Palestinians argue about Gaza and the West Bank, but the problem is Jerusalem. The centrality of Jerusalem to the conflict and its importance religiously and politically to both sides cannot be overstated. In short, the key positions are:
Israel must control all of Jerusalem. (the Israeli position)
Israel must not control all of Jerusalem. (the Palestinian position)
As long as these positions are diametrically opposed, all other negotiations and plans are moot. Negotiating borders, building or not building homes in disputed territories, even arguing about whether the Israeli separation barrier is a new Berlin Wall or security fence, are simply quarrelling about side-issues. These quarrels are often deadly, but they are not productive. - G. J.
The problem with the Israelis is that the leadership is a small minded terrorist group itself which is not going to give up anything. - R. M.
i strongly disagree with your presupposition the the palastinians get any of israeli land. according to mark twain, it was barren desert prior to israel's occupation. why doesnt syria donate land, or jordan? to the palastinian real estate issue? why must israel have to give up territory that was originally part of the 'promised land' three thousand years ago? - W. B.
THERE IS NEVER AN EXCUSE FOR SUICIDE BOMBERS KILLING HUMAN BEINGS, INCLUDING INFANT CHILDREN, YOUNG PEOPLE, AND CIVILIANS AT LARGE, INTENTIONALLY AND INDISCRIMINATELY AND WITHOUT SHAME AND MORE THE WORSE CLAIMING GOD AS THEIR SPONSOR.
WHEN HAVE PALESTINIANS EVER TAKEN A PEACEFUL APPROACH TO THE PROBLEM? IN WHAT YEAR OR YEARS?, TELL ME THAT AND IN DETAIL IF YOU PLEASE.
AS FAR AS THIS CITIZEN IS CONCERNED, THESE "BEASTS" SHOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH, AND THE SAME FOR THE CRETCHEN T E R R O R I S T killers. - E. R.
Interesting article by Dinesh D'Souza on 9/9/04 article in TotheSource. I'm not sure if handing over Gaza and West Bank would stop the killing. It would be a good step if framed within a new set of accords to promote peace and not just a means to gain advantage for more attacks on Israel.
One correction to the article is recommended. The article refers to the "tragedy in Chechnya". Although the school hostage-taking and deaths were linked to Chechen separatists, this tragedy actually took place in Beslan in Russian North Ossetia, not in Chechnya.
Thought you'd want to know.
- K. J.
I have long appreciated and admired Mr. D'Souza's keen insights. On this issue, however, he seems to have overlooked one thing. The Palestinians do not want simply their own national state; they want the complete annhilation of the state of Israel. And short of that, they do not want peace. Mr. D'Souza's proposal does not satisfy what they are after, and if carried out, would not produce the peace he thinks it would. - T. O.
I recently read a book authored by a Christian Palestinian. I learned lots of things, one for sure is that we need to ask the insiders (as broad a cross section of them as possible) what they think is needed. It is pretty easy to think we know from the outside. The book is Bethlehem Besieged, Stories of Hope in Times of Trouble by Mitri Raheb. It is a very complicated area with many people making claims for the same land. I think you are correct when you say that everyone will have to sacrifice something. - M. S.
Israel is to give up land and the Palestinians are to give up complaining. If you have any land you would be willing to give me in exchange for my willingness to stop complaining, please contact me. - P. B. |