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July 24, 2008
by Dinesh D'Souza

side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar To listen to Richard Dawkins, or read his book The God Delusion, you would get the idea that belief in God is a dangerous delusion, even a kind of virus of the mind.  Dawkins finds absolutely no rational sense in theism, and moreover, he insists that science stands firmly behind him.

Given this, one would think that Dawkins would be eager to debate the best advocates for God, in the firm confidence that he could defeat them.  Why should an advocate of the round-earth have any hesitancy in debating an advocate of the flat-earth?  Surely a round-earth man should be able to prevail in such debates every single time.

Last October, Richard Dawkins did debate theologian John Lennox in Birmingham, Alabama, and it didn’t go very well.  Despite his impressive British accent, Dawkins was frequently long-winded, off the point, and unconvincing.  Lennox at least pulled off a tie against his much-more-famous opponent, and arguably won the debate.

Shortly after the publication of my book What’s So Great About Christianity, I invited Dawkins to debate me.  Since that time I’ve debated many of the leading atheists—Christopher Hitchens, Michael Shermer, Daniel Dennett, Peter Singer.  Hitchens has said publicly that I am the most formidable debater he has faced, and he admitted in Las Vegas two weeks ago that he lost our most recent debate.

Despite my several invitations, Dawkins has always refused to debate me.  I even wrote him to say that I wouldn’t mind debating him in a venue largely hospitable to him, such as one of America’s elite liberal campuses or his home campus of Oxford University.  I’m even ready to debate Dawkins at a conference of the world’s atheists.

A few weeks ago, Dawkins posted a comment on his website complaining about me and a conservative rabbi named Boteach.  Dawkins wrote that Boteach and I had loud voices and engaged in “shrieks” and “yells” of a kind reminiscent of Hitler!  Even several atheists wrote me to say how preposterous this is.  I speak mainly in academic venues and would sound like a complete fool if I engaged in Hitler-style shrieking and yelling.  The only time I can even recall raising my voice was in my Tufts debate with Daniel Dennett and that’s largely because the microphone wasn’t working properly.

Imagine my surprise when a television producer for Al-Jazeera called to say that Richard Dawkins has agreed to appear with me on the Riz Khan show. Al-Jazeera had asked me several weeks earlier to come on the show and debate the War on Terror, and I had told them I’d rather debate a leading atheist. They found Dawkins.

But apparently Al-Jazeera had booked Dawkins without telling him the name of his opponent. When he found out it was me, he called producer Zeresnaey Abraha and told him he had a policy of not debating "creationists." Dawkins apparently believes that by debating advocates of a young-earth or those who flatly deny evolution he is giving them credibility. Whatever the merits of his position, it has this shortcoming in my case: I am not, nor have I ever been, a "creationist" as Dawkins defines it. In my writings I endorse evolution and I see no incompatibility between evolution and the biblical account of creation.

Dawkins posted a comment on his site accusing me of making up the whole idea of a “debate.”  He told Al-Jazeera that he would only appear on the show if he and I were interviewed in separate segments, and moreover, he had to go second.  I suppose he was worried that if he went first I might be able to rebut some of his statements.  He insisted on a format in which he could rebut what I said but I couldn’t rebut what he said. 

One may conclude from his behavior that Dawkins is a tender-hearted soul who shies away from confrontation and controversy.   Not true at all.  The God Delusion is is full of unremittingly scornful and belligerent attacks on God and religious believers.  Dawkins flew halfway around the world to corner a prominent televangelist so that he could surprise him in an interview format and make him look dogmatic and foolish.

Yet it seems that when a competent opponent shows up, Dawkins runs away.  He doesn’t eschew aggression, only the sort of aggression in which he may himself get bruised.  His behavior resembles that of the neighborhood bully who picks on the someone who won’t or can’t fight back but avoids a showdown when faced with an opponent of his own size. 

Even this analogy is inadequate, however, because the issues between Dawkins and me involve God and atheism, science and religion, evolution and creation.  They are some of the deepest cleavages in contemporary culture, and they are the issues that have engaged Dawkins for his entire career.  Currently Dawkins is professor of the public understanding of science at Oxford.  A Microsoft billionaire pays his salary to make the case for a scientific view of the world.  Wouldn’t public understanding and truth be served by engaging these issues with a scholarly opponent in an appropriate venue, or should Dawkins, the self proclaimed intrepid crusader for scientific atheism, just admit, “I’m not a very good debater and I’m a little scared of looking foolish.”

Responses to Friday Night Fight:

Keep up the great work warning people about atheism. Because you were able stir up the hornets, I have seen many many people who contact me afterward who not only have renounced their atheism but have received Jesus as their Lord and Savior. And God is doing great things in their life. - H.

As a Christian for many years, I have been longing for the types of arguments that you formulate as a response to the atheists. I want to thank you sincerely for the wonderful use of your God given talents. Thank you for keeping your cool under fire! It is amazing to see you at work on “their ground”. - G.W.

One of the biggest things that impresses me when I watch or listen to your debates is how unfailingly courteous you are. - C.

It is amazing to hear the arguments advanced by self styled India expert Dinesh D'Souza that Kashmir the land is the dispute between Hindus and Muslims in India. Wrong! The dispute is about India's vision as a secular nation where Hindus and Muslims are equal citizens and hence Kashmir despite being majority Muslim belongs in India as it freely acceded in 1947. This is in contrast to Pakistan a theocratic state where primacy is accorded to Islam and all other religions treated with disdain. This clearly supports Hitchen's thesis that religion is indeed the cause of most turmoil, particularly when it is politicized. Christianity and Islam are the only two religions where the clergy has either directly or majorly wielded political power through the ages, inevitably leading to gross abuse of human rights. Neither Hinduism nor Buddhism the other two major world religions have ever wielded political power nor have the shown any inclination to do so. Dinesh D'Souza should recognize that "practitioners" of religion are also human and are just as power hungry. Witness the innumerable instances of sodomy committed by Catholic priests world over and the huge monetary compensation paid by the Church to victims. Witness the aggressive proselytization by Christian missionaries in Africa and Asia and the violent backlash against them. Religion is best left as a private matter of the individual. The State should have nothing to do with religion in any form as the danger is two fold. Religious practitioners will gain influence over the Government to benefit from its largesse, and simultaneously the Government will manipulate the religious leaders to gain acceptance of the electorate or worse claim divine sanction to rule into perpetuity. The new convert is always a bigger fanatic than the confirmed believer. Like all recent converts to Christianity, Dinesh D'Souza has to demonstrate to his white Christian folks that he is a "true" Christian. No wonder he has to bring out specious arguments to proclaim his religiosity. Tailpiece - If Dinesh D'Souza is such a "true" Christian, why does he still retain his Hindu first name Dinesh? Why not change it to David or Daniel? - Hari Padmanabhan Bangalore, India

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Dinesh D'Souza, the Rishwain Research Scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, served as senior domestic policy analyst in the White House in 1987-1988. He is the best-selling author of Illiberal Education, The End of Racism, Ronald Reagan, The Virtue of Prosperity, What's So Great About America, and The Enemy at Home. His new book What's So Great About Christianity was released in October of 2007.
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