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July 17, 2008
by Troy Anderson

side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar side bar "You guys ready for some sparks," a man quipped as he took his seat to hear the rhetorical pugilists go head-to-head on the topic, "War, Terrorism & Geo-Political Crisis: Is Religion the Solution or the Problem?"

Billed on yellowing posters as a Wild West showdown and a championship boxing match all rolled into one, moderator Alex Green felt it was appropriate to set a few ground rules.

"For tonight's two debaters; Please, no head-butting, no ear-pulling, no slapping, no biting and no gagging," Green said tongue-in-cheek. "No eye-gouging, no spine locks, no neck cracks, no faking an injury and no escaping the ring. No hair-pulling, no fish-hooking, no distracting the referee, no groin strikes and no toe locks. No grabbing the throat. No attacks on the windpipe. No punches to the head, kicking below the belt and no unsportsmanlike conduct."

Hitchens, a pugnacious secularist and author of "god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything," entered the ring first, loosening the mostly Libertarian crowd up with a few coarse jokes and then launching into what D'Souza later described as the "elliptical mode of attack."

Arguing in his book that religion is man-made, sexually repressive, the basis for totalitarianism and a threat to human survival, Hitchens described a series of experiences from his travels as a foreign correspondent that convinced him just how dangerous faith is.

He recounted his remorse over favorable articles he once wrote about Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe, a dictator who has allegedly subjected his country to torture, famine and death squads. Despite these abuses, Hitchens said the nation's religious leaders have been conspicuously silent during Mugabe's 28-year reign.

"He'd probably have to recommend condoms and abortions before any condemnation would come from the pulpit," Hitchens said.

Hitchens, contributing editor to Vanity Fair and Atlantic Monthly, topped off his argument about the potential nightmare religious fanaticism poses – whether it's Islamic terrorists abroad or Christian fundamentalists at home – by drawing the audience's attention to Iran's recent missile launches and concerns it is developing nuclear weapons. He further cited the example of North Korea, a totalitarian nation and the "most worshipful and religious country I've ever seen" in its adulation of leader Kim Jong-il.


"We have worried and wondered when it will happen that a messianic regime, gang or group would manage to get a hold of apocalyptic weaponry," Hitchens said. "When will those people who think the end of the world is coming get weaponry to make it happen? Well, it's about to happen in Iran."

Stepping to the podium, D'Souza, author of "What's So Great About Christianity," described Hitchens' opening statement as "sneaky" and containing a grain of truth, but using a bogus analogy.

"There is an effort here to equate Islamic radicalism with Christianity," D'Souza said. "Now, first of all, let's ask in a very reasonable way, who is the Christian bin Ladin? Where is the Christian Al Qaeda? Where is the Christian Hamas or Hezbollah?"

D'Souza, the Robert and Karen Rishwain Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, also sought to debunk Hitchens' argument that conflicts in hot spots around the world are driven by religious beliefs. He asked the audience if the Israelis and Palestinians are really fighting over God.

"No. They are in fact fighting over land," D'Souza said. "Similarly, the Hindu's and Muslims are fighting over Kashmir. And in Northern Ireland, the Catholics and the Protestants are not fighting about the Eucharist or Transubstantiation. They are fighting over which group of guys gets to rule that country."

D'Souza challenged Hitchens' claim that religion has been responsible for countless deaths over the years, arguing the alleged sins of Christianity – the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and religious wars – were vastly overblown and occurred hundreds of years ago. For example, Henry Kaymen, the leading scholar on the Inquisition, found about 2,000 people were killed over 350 years during the Inquisition.

In contrast, D'Souza said atheist regimes of the past century – Communist Russia, Communist China and Nazi Germany – are responsible for upwards of 100 million deaths. Even Pol Pot, a minor league dictator and leader of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, killed up to 2 million people in the late 1970s.

"If religion must take the blame for the crimes committed in the name of religion, let's be consistent and blame atheism for the crimes inflicted in the name of creating the atheist utopia and the secular paradise liberated from the shackles of traditional religion and traditional morality," D'Souza said.

In his rebuttal, Hitchens continued his argument that religion is the source of the world's problems, noting the "cheapest and nastiest" moments in the United States' presidential campaign involved clergyman like Rev. Jeremiah Wright. He also registered his disgust with Rowan Williams, the controversial Archbishop of Canterbury, who has suggested the British adoption of Sharia law is unavoidable. Hitchens suggested the comment is indicative of the masochistic nature of Christianity, a faith that proposes the "hideous, the disgusting, the contemptible, the revolting, the dangerous, the suicidal idea ... that we should love our enemies."

"I don't want him saying in the name of this contemptible Nazarene ideology that I must give up my freedom – that the rule of law is over, that there is a separate law for people of religion, that we aren't all governed by the same courts," Hitchens said.

But D'Souza said Williams was making an argument based on secular, liberal multiculturalism - not Jesus Christ's admonition to love one's enemies. Rather, the comments were something a university professor might argue, contending the collapse of the religious foundation of Western civilization has opened the door to a certain kind of "namby-pamby tolerance." D'Souza also pointed out Hitchens' contention that faith leads to totalitarianism involves a "very stylish sleight of hand."

"He's basically saying, 'Let's blame religion for the crimes of religion and then lets take all the things done by atheist regimes in the name of atheist regimes and blame them on religion, because after all, isn't it true when you look at these atheist regimes, that they kind of resemble theocratic regimes," D'Souza said.

Ultimately, D'Souza said Hitchens' arguments amount to a "dodge," attempting to blame religion for the crimes of atheist regimes, which have historically resulted in an ocean of blood and a mountain of bodies.

"The 20th Century was really an attempt to create the secular utopia," D'Souza said. "It's failed miserably. So the one great experiment of creating secularism, of creating the religion-free society, has been a terrible failure."

At the end of debate, the conference host asked the audience – through an informal show of hands – who they thought won. Surveying the hands, the host named D'Souza the champ.

Later that night, the comment about the debate igniting sparks proved eerily prophetic as thunderous lightning bolts lit up the skies above Bally's Las Vegas, the rumbling sound reverberating throughout the Strip.

Responses to An Absentee God:

I was surprised that there was not even a hat tip to the literal 6 day crowd. I get the impression that they are seen as less than intellectual. - Bill Tidwell

In my opinion a more effective response to Hitchens’ is to go with a recent date for creation. I have to agree with Hitchens: a God of love would not allow beings created in his own image to wallow in misery for 98,000 years before suddenly stepping in. There is plenty of scientific evidence for a recent creation for those who will examine it with an open mind. There is no need to concede anything to evolution in this debate. - Dan Walker

Dear Dinesh, I read with great interest your recent article (July 9, 2008). Checked over with the PRB statistics, I believe that Erik Kreps' argument may be correct, but his calculation is not. With 46 billion people born before 1 AD, compared with 106 billion historical total, it is about 1/3 born before Christ, and 2/3 after. Keep up with your good work. - C. Charles Wang

According to the bible, man has only been on this earth for @6,000 years following the genealogies. From Adam to Abraham was 2,000. From Abraham to Jesus was 2,000 and from Jesus' first coming to his second coming is another 2,000. The millineal reign of jesus on earth is for 1,000 years. A total of 7,000 years. - WS

I too was struck by the point that Christopher Hitchens made about the timing of the coming of Christ and decided to use it in future debates about the age of the Earth and of humankind. The problem disappears entirely if you assume that the Earth is the age described in the Bible, with humans having been around from the beginning. The 5 000 years of evidence of human civilisation fits perfectly with the Bible's chronology, dating from after Noah's flood. The supposed evidence for an older Earth is open to many different interpretations and is certainly not the conclusive affair that evolutionists like to portray. - Sylvia Baker Manchester England UK

Sorry Dinesh, I can't go along with your argument here at all. You are giving far too much away to the other side. Who says that humans were around for 100,000 years? Not the Bible. If humans have been around that long, then Hitchens has a point in my opinion. Like you said though, it also presents problems for his side as well. However, God did not recently reach down and put a soul into man. Have your read the creation account lately? God breathed into Adam the breath of life immediately after he created his lifeless body from the dust of the earth. It lay there lifeless until he breathed into the body. I personally believe he also gave us a soul at that time. But you seem to be buying into the evolutionary idea that man evolved from animals and then there wre soulless humans before Adam. No, Adam was the first man! He was created directly from the dust of the earth. You are not being fair to the biblical text. Even Jesus said that He created them male and female "From the beginning." Mark 10:6, Mt. 19:4. Jesus quotes here from both Genesis 1 & 2. It seems like He takes these accounts as "gospel truth". Shouldn't we? This verse points out that the sexes were in existence from the very beginning. This does not fit with evolution. So the sexes did not develop from some single cell that started to miraculously reproduce even if you think it was God who caused that to happen. He gave us the Bible for a reason. He tells us what He did in the Bible. If we cannot believe the Bible, then what is the point of even arguing for the existence of God. We would have nothing upon which to base our faith. Either you take all of it or none of it. It seems like you are conveniently trying to leave out some parts of the Bible to try and make it more intellectually acceptable to the intelligentsia. No need to defend God like that. If you take the Bible at face value, this all fits quite nicely with human history. God created humans directly from the dust of the earth. Some lived in caves, but they were not dense ignorant pre-historic half ape half human creatures. The flood and the ice age that took place after it could explain why some humans lived in caves, but from their drawings, it is clear they were regular people. This view also explains the large population increase. Why? THere were no humans prior to Adam so of course there would be no population increase. But from Adam's time, and then from Noah's time, there were real population increases. Don't be afraid to trust God's Word over scientists who start their research from atheistic starting points. Why should their ideas fit with the Bible? The problems with their views are many. Don't try and fit their ideas into the Bible. I was disappointed with this article. respectfully, - Jim

In response to your posting about Darwin: The true problem is that those of you who continue to insist that any higher being had a hand in the creation of the universe are hanging onto man made dogma that promotes invented religions. Do you ever wonder why all of the worlds' major religions were invented within a very small time span of human existence. It's is because they were "invented" when man's intellect evolved to the point that the religion gene could manifest iteslf through fake writings such as the Bible. It had been around for many years prior to the invention of the Bible, Koran, etc.as we needed religion to band together for survival. Just as Darwinian theory would predict. The fact is that now we as a species really don't need invented region anymore. In fact it is to the point that these inventions are impeding our development as a species. So you see, my personal theory - one that would be backed up by Darwin - is than man made religions such as Christanity and all the rest will slowly die off. It's already well underway in Europe......it's only a matter of time! - JB

Responses to Faith Stealers:

I am writing regarding an article published almost two years ago--Faith Stealers. It left quite an impression on me in August of 2006, but I was unable to respond then because of the freshness of the pain. I was one of the students about whom Dr. Wiker was writing, except that I wasn't an impressionable young person--I was 20 years older than the average student with a very strong faith in God. But even so, the historical-critical method of studying the Bible caused me to stumble in my faith. The passage of time has provided much healing, but I feel that I need to follow through with this to complete that healing process. Dr. Wiker wrote, "To neutralize the acids of the historical-critical method, a more sophisticated historical and critical method is needed, one that takes account of the legitimate wheat of the method, but is wise enough to separate the chaff." He also indicated that he would continue on with the examination of the historical-critical method in future articles; however, I have been unable to locate any such articles. Can you please provide information on other ariticles and/or books that may be helpful to me? Thank you so much. - JS

Editor's note: Benjamin Wiker has just completed a very lengthy work with Biblical Scholar Scott Hahn, a critical analysis of the historical-critical method, which we hope to have published within the next year. In the meantime, check out the resources of the St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology (www.salvationhistory.com), and the following books: Ben Witherington, What Have They Done with Jesus; Craig Evans, Fabricating Jesus; J. Ed Komoszewski, Reinventing Jesus; Mark Roberts Can We Trust the Gospels?

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Troy Anderson is an award-winning government and enterprise reporter for the Los Angeles Daily News who also freelances for a variety of national and regional magazines, including Christianity Today and Charisma. During his 17-year career, he has worked as a staff writer at a variety of newspapers and won nearly two dozen national, state and local journalism awards. Anderson graduated from the University of Oregon in 1991 with a bachelor's degree in news-editorial journalism and a minor in political science. He is a longtime member of Investigative Reporters & Editors. He lives with his wife and their 8-year-old daughter in Claremont, Calif. and is active at Granite Creek Community Church.
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