Response to Faith from Science
There is no problem with these two! The problem is understanding Geneses 1:1 and 1:2. I am attaching a short paper that I developed and I don't understand why our bible scholars don't see it and reveal it.
This article trying to mix faith and science always makes God unable to create without a lot of help from science. If He didn't create Adam on one 24 hour day, then how can he possibly do what he says in 1 Cor. 15:50 - 55 where He says that all Christians who have ever died and turned to dust will be resurrected in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.
You can see that if you don't believe the Geneses account then it undermines everything God says and promises.
Please tell some Bible scholars to do their homework and get us out of all this nonsense called science that is just pure speculation based on unbelievers who want to compromise what God has said and did.
God bless you and your work.
- Rev. J. H.
There can be no conflict between true science and true faith. The purpose of science is to attempt to understand the workings of the universe. As St. Paul said, "The Universe is but a thought of God." And in understanding the mechanisms of his workings, we come to, however slightly, understand Him. The affair between Galileo and the Catholic Church showed just how easy it is to allow human hubris and pride to warp our interpretation of God's Word. I constantly hear people trying to overturn Darwin's ideas on evolution, in a misguided attempt to shore up their faith. But, based on the scientific evidence, not just in biology, but in physics, astrophysics and cosmology, God is infinitely more creative than people give Him credit for. Who but God could create a universe (or perhaps multiverse?) that could contain within its essence the roots of all that came after...particles, atoms, molecules, stars, heavy elements, planets, and life itself. As A. Powell Davies once wrote, "Your God is too small". Give Him more credit.
- H. M.
Dear Dr. Benjamin Wiker, I just read your article “Language of Science and Faith” and I must say that I am concerned by your apparent compromise on the issue of evolution. You state:
“As we have stated many times, evolution is not the problem, Darwinism is the problem. That life developed over millions of years is not a difficulty for faith”
“So we have no problem, in the abstract, with much of what Collins and Giberson propose, and some of it is quite excellent. They embrace a kind of theistic evolution, but not one that makes God redundant. God can, and He actually does, do miracles. He could, and perhaps did, directly influence the course of evolution. He works through the laws of nature, but He can just as well suspend them.”
For the last 9 years I have been studying this subject as it relates to our faith and what the Bible teaches and I can’t see how you can be so accommodating
To evolution. Please provide for me any article that clearly explain why you accept evolution as a means by which God made life to function. I would greatly appreciate any biblical references that you feel supports evolution.
Finally I would like to know if you have attempted to talk with any credible Creationist Scientist who reject evolution like Dr. Terry Mortenson, Dr. Jerry Bergman
Dr. Jason Lisle or any of the Creationist at Creation Ministries International or ICR?
While I love and respect you as a brother in Christ I am very concerned about the conflicting view you hold with the Bible and actual scientific data.
Please help me to understand why you teach that evolution is true.
Thanks so very much
- D. M.
Dear tothesource,
I enjoy your articles immensely and learn a lot from them. However, I must ask you, as I have done before, why you are so uncritical of the proposed evidence for 'particles to people' evolution? It really comes as surprise to me that you can be so sharp and discerning about many things and yet take the standard position with respect to evolution as though it were beyond question, let alone critique.
I studied biology at Sussex University in the 1960s and was taught evolution theory directly by the great evolutionary biologist Professor John Maynard Smith. I had entered the University as an evolutionist; I left with a good degree having become a creationist. The main reason was to do with the evidence - or rather the lack of it. That speciation happens and that creatures have much inbuilt variability within definite limits is not in dispute; there is however no support whatever in any part of the evidence for the idea that the variation is unlimited and that major new groups have arisen in this way. Can you point me to any? On the other hand, there is much evidence to support the view that this does not and indeed could not happen.
I simply ask that you begin to question the supposed evidence and cease to take it as a given. If it is beyond question, surely it has ceased to be within the realm of observational science and has become an unchallengeable ideology.
- Dr. S. B.
I am very disappointed by this article of Dr. Wiker on the Language of Science and Faith. Yet ironically he has the article of C. J. Collins on “Adam and Eve as Historical People…” in his same publication. The very reasons Collins give as to why we can never abandon the literal creation account of Genesis are the ones that Wiker has so consciously dismissed in his defence of some sort of support for creation by evolution. First of all, rational science and reason speak more heavily in favour of biblical creation than do rational secular science and reason. Somehow it fails to register with Wiker that to support evolution in any form or fashion as a believer in God immediately reduces Christianity to a jumble of myths, fables, and deception. Secondly, The Idea of an immanent and transcendent God that makes the creation his way according to Genesis is thrown out, and man’s substitution of his own account of creation is in vogue. Finally, and where does that leave us as Bible believing Christians? It leaves us swimming in a backwater of myths and fancies trying to connect the pieces in order to demonstrate the truth of biblical creation. Wiker has reversed the secular account with the biblical account. I guess that is what the people before the flood did, but, oh, I suppose that would be just a myth for Wiker if he should really believe in his account of the Language of Science and Faith. Friends, let us not be daunted by the sayings and postulates of secular scientists, they are just hot air. The world in its history has gone down this road before; and what’s more, Jesus said that we will once more go this road before his second coming: “As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the coming of the son of man.” Back then the whole world was taken captive by the leaders of society who convinced the people that Noah had it wrong. Today we are hard on the heels of that generation. It is sad, though, when godly men let the banner slip out of their position.
- R. H.
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"We at tothesource find this, in one sense laudatory. As we have stated many times, evolution is not the problem, Darwinism is the problem. That life developed over millions of years is not a difficulty for faith..."
Beg to disagree. Very difficult...
Evolution is in contrasting opposition to the scriptures, not only the book of Genesis but New Testament scriptures such as:
Matthew 10: 6 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Matthew 19: 4 - And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female.
These and other scriptures imply that Jesus himself had no evolutionary worldview, Darwinian or other, and He must know since He was there from the beginning... "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God... and Word was made flesh, and and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [John 1:1 and 14]
Now, I know it is not very intellectual to quote scriptures, Dr. Benjamin, but if you talk about Faith, in God, not something else, you have to consider the scriptures.
Death, came into the world through Adam's sin... "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned [Romans 5:12]. Evolution implies that death was there from the beginning... therefore is completely, absolutely, against Faith.
I Corinthians 15:22 : "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive". [Paul, also, did not care for evolutionary worldview, Darwinian or other]
It presumptuous and arrogant to assume that we know better than Jesus [and Paul] just because we read a few more books written by mere carnal men, who try to explain the world with desperate ignorance of spiritual realities. I hope and pray that you can dedicate your excellent gift for reasoning and writing towards defending and promoting the Truth. I appreciate most of tothesource articles as incisive and relevant, including many of your articles Dr. Benjamin, but this one, I must say, you are stepping out of line with true Christian Faith.
- J. S. |