Responses to Buyer Beware:
Editors Note: Stay tuned for Dr. Wiker's response to your letters and to The Teaching Company's response to Buyer Beware.
Great article in the most recent To The Source! Here is my letter of Feb 7 2007 to The Teaching Company (also posted at http://www.albrektson.com/pub/oe/)
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Dear Friends at The Teaching Company
I am supremely dismayed to learn that you selected Bart Ehrman of UNC to teach your New Testament courses—and that is not simply because I'm a graduate of Duke.
In the past I have ordered and enjoyed your courses, and recommended them to others, but this choice has caused me to doubt the integrity of your entire company. I know that you are not "experts" in the fields for which you select professors, but this choice shows an appalling lack of discernment and ignorance of fundamental issues in the discipline.
Believe me, I'm not stranger to this area. I took my Th. D. in New Testament Studies and many of my professors were of the same stamp as Dr. Ehrman: skeptically agnostic except in the certainty that nothing of the New Testament came from contemporaneous eye-witnesses, yet locked in 19th century group-think on the sacred doctrines of source, form, and redaction criticism.
Would you offer a geography course taught by a flat-earth crackpot? A planetary studies course by a follower of Velikovski? Or a course in Church History by Dan Brown?
I would encourage you to rework your professor selection processes, and hope your future choices in this field are less radical.
- John R. ("Ray") Albrektson
There is only one word to sum up this truthful and I believe valid description of today’s academic world. The word is “Amen.” - Dr. Karen Pappin
Great article! Thanks & keep up the good work! - John Ottley
Thanks for the heads up on Bart Ehrman. I take your point, but am wondering what might be a good alternative text for the studyof the early church. WHC Frend is very solid but extremely long. Hinson is pretty reliable, but rather dull. Any other suggestions?
- Ian Gentles
Dr. Wiker –
Thanks for today’s column to the Teaching Company. I had ordered this set of CD’s a few years ago and began to listen to them. In the midst of that exercise I began to see the coverage of his latest book that takes him squarely down a path of denying any voracity of the Truth of the Gospel. The interesting thing is that prior to this epiphany if his and the about face, he did in fact have a great deal of good to say on the history between them death/resurrection of Christ and 325 A.D. and the Council of Nicea. The CD’s they have are from that era. So, though I have vast reservations about his scholarship and biases today, it is a shame that he, when faced with the very evidence he provides in these teachings, he can still deny the Truth. Good job of pointing out equally credible (more so in my opinion) and even more accurate scholars and their works.
Perhaps the analogy should have continued – he gets home with what he thinks is a box of chocolates only to realize the chocolate has turned to rat poison. J
Blessings!
- Chris M. Leland, Ph.D.
While you are checking out the spurious intellectualism of the offerings from The Teaching Company include Professor Amy-Jill Levine, It is obvious she is far more enamored with the myths of the Babylonians than the creation stories or flood stories of the Bible and presents the Koran in a far better light than the Bible. She teaches that the first eleven chapters of the Bible is mythological and raises doubts as to the actual existence of the Patriarchs, implying the stories may be a complization of tribal leaders who later are gathered into a story and given family relationships.
- David Turner
just finished reading the Nat Geographic interview with Francis (?) Collins and agnostic interviewer. . .. fantastic stuff. the whole "Buyer Beware"/ Teaching Company/Anne Rice collection was fantastic stuff illustrating the skeptics and believers dialectic. . . . i eagerly await your emails, and love the number of related readings that adjoin the principle article. As a high school English teacher, I have difficulty keeping up with my grading, required reading, and supplemental study (i.e., To the Source"), so i typically print materials and keep it in my "To Be Read" folder until I can get around to it. the Evans, Bauckham, Witherington, and Wright texts now offically put me into next summer. Thanks so much to all who contribute to this wonderful resource. Need I ask. . . how can I support?
- T.S.
The article on The Teaching Company (even if it wasn't written to us!) is such a great analogy. We need a "truth in advertising" movement. So many opponents of the truth today are drawing the unwary in by their deceitful facade that appears to be Christian. Tothesource does a great service by helping to educate us all.
Praise God for the great article in National Geographic, of all places--and thank you for linking it!
Blessings
- Kathy Gulbranson
This reminds me of what John wrote, "for the time is at hand. He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."
There are many polluters in our nation today, the worse of which are those who pollute HIS Word. HIS wrath is at hand.
- jacob
I felt this article a little on the unfair side. I have ordered tapes from the Teaching Company, even professor Ehrleman’s and found them as advertised. The two series that I ordered that the distinguished professor wrote I was not surprised in either by his stand. I understood what I was getting into by reading the promotional material. I also felt I got material from someone who had studied deeply and cared passionately about his subject. His material on the non-canonical gospels was far better than anything I received in seminary.
- Doug Van Aartsen
Thank you for addressing this issue. It seems as though those authors, historians and other experts most hostile to Jesus are the ones most often featured in interviews and sound bites....as though this viewpoint has become the norm among the true scholars. Some truth in advertising would be refreshing, and it's not as though there aren't scholars who can speak intelligently on the other side of the issue.
- L.H.
Thank you for the article "Buyer Beware" by Dr. Benjamin Wiker. Last month a woman of a congregation I serve read one of Bart Ehrman's books, and asked me to review it so she could discuss what she found disturbing about it with me. Your letter to The Teaching Company summarizes our thoughts succinctly and accurately. Even the recommended reading tracks our thinking (I had recommended her to Dr. Witherington III, and N.T.
Wright.)
Thank you also for the other two notices. The one about Anne Rice is especially timely and will be helpful in a discussion I am having with a fan of hers that attends my church. In addition, the note about Francis Collins will be helpful in my continuing discussion with another friend of my congregation.
Where exactly is the bug you've planted in my study?!
Grace & Peace,
- Brett Wm. Templeton, Pastor
So likewise if they offered a course on understanding the Koran,would you also expect the teacher to believe in the veracity of the subject matter they were teaching.
- M.M.
I would add James D. G. Dunn to the list of acceptable alternatives. Yes?
Regards,
- Bill
I'm a longtime reader and regular appreciator of much of what you offer - even when I disagree with the author's viewpoint - because much thoughtfulness is usually put into the writing. But this one, "Buyer Beware" doesn't cut the grade. "Buyer Beware" should have been entitled, "Reader Beware." If you're going to offer more articles with such little substantive argument, please expand your ratings scale to include the negative numbers.
Thanks,
- E.K.
Your article on Bart Ehrman would have far more impact if you gave examples of what he is supposedly doing that is harmful to his own discipline. As it stands, there are only assertions, and the reader can’t tell if the problem is real and serious; or if the author simply has a personal grudge, and the accusations are false. I myself am much concerned about liberal trends in Biblical scholarship, but let’s be sure to discuss these things with integrity and careful scholarship. A good reputation is a valuable asset…
- David G. Clark
Thank you for your article. It was very informative,
enlightening, and well-researched. I hope that the
Teaching Company takes into consideration all that you
wrote.
- Catrina Russell
I get the catalogue you mentioned, and have never purchased anything from it; my son requested it, I think. I noticed the last one myself, as I know a bit about the New Testament teacher who doesn’t really believe in the reliability of the New Testament. After seeing his name at the masthead of several course offerings, I began to look over some of the other courses. My admittedly largely uninformed opinion is that all the courses offered may be, and probably are pretty liberal, or politically correct, or whatever the correct term may be.
Thanks for the tip. I doubt they are interested in having any thing taught by Ben Witherington, or any other orthodox teachers, but wouldn’t it be nice. I hope you are able to get the word out to many, many people about the apparent agenda here.
- John Mark Poling
I am a Christian (Lutheran) and a college teacher. I have found some of your messages reasonable and interesting. Your latest petition to THE TEACHING COMPANY targetting Bart Ehrmann's work with them, however, seems to me over the top, unfair, and a misrepresentation of what he stands for, teaches, and is.
I've read two of his books, and found them intelligent, useful, and in no way any kind of disrespectful of people of faith, or of the sources of faith. It is true that Prof. Ehrmann writes candidly about his own struggle, and about the kind of faith he was raised in, and no longer holds. Unless you know of some place in his work where he is disrespectful of or unfair to people of faith--and you nowhere say you do, and I don't think you can--I find your campaign against his courses outrageous and unfair.
If you think the Teaching Company should add religion courses taught by believers, you'd be on entirely different ground suggesting that . . . when you link such a suggestion to attacking him, and them for selling his courses, you are looking foolish, intolerant, and unfair in the extreme to a careful, honest, man, a rigorous and respected scholar, and man who, I believe, is doing a great deal of good at clearing the air for people of faith.
- Don Erickson
Then there are those "scholars" like you who have never been able to think for themselves, whose faith is someone else's, not there own and who are too intellectually lazy and cowardly to question anything.
- G.S.
Your email newsletter attacks the integrity of a well-known scholar, Bart Ehrman, by using a silly, made-up story to discredit him. This is unfair and even shameful. Please remove my name from your mailing list.
- William Thomas Deneke
On the logic of Wiker's essay, only an Muslim would be qualified to teach the Koran, a Hindu the Bhagavad Gita, a Jew the Five Books of Moses. It is a strange view of scholarship to propose that a scholar must believe in the veracity of that which they are studying.
- Dannie Otto
Please see below my email to The Teaching Company in response to Dr. Wiker's posting on ToThe Source. - Richard Petrillo
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I agree with Dr. Wiker of the 'ToTheSource'. I was originally attracted
to The Teaching company by the many fine courses available from a wide
spectrum of disciplines. I initially thought your company would be an
excellent source of in-depth studies of Christianity. With few
exceptions, I've found that almost all of your professors share an
agenda to debunk the Christian faith.
I have purchased Teaching company courses in the past and may or may not
in the future. I do know I can't trust the Teaching company to provide
solid orthodox courses in Christianity. It may not be your role to
provide only orthodox courses but I believe it is your responsibility
to offer a balanced selection.
It is sad to see The Teaching company being 'used' to promote a specific
agenda of a class of academia determined to relativize the faith of
several billion of the earth's inhabitants.
- Richard Petrillo |