I was interested in the glaring bias that showed up in the National Geographic article. It blamed the number of adults who believe in creation on fundamentalists who interfere with the teaching of evolution. I don’t think I’ve met any Christians who wanted to interfere in the teaching of evolution. Most Christians I know simply want the theory of Intelligent Design put side by side as an alternative model. It is a significant part of the scientific community that blocks presentation of an alternative model. Why such resistance? It seems the resistance is not scientific as much as philosophical. Intelligent Design implies an Intelligent Designer, a Creator. That’s the rub. - R. L.
Aye, and it seems to rub some people the wrong way—for reasons other than scientific.
-- Benjamin Wiker
Would you people please check your scriptures and see that what God requires of you is not to waste time, effort, and resources arguing about things that are irrelevant to the Biblical call to love God and neighbor. I am as educated and informed about scripture as any of you, and nowhere in scripture do I hear God calling me to argue with scientists about scientific endeavors. If you spent as much time and effort doing what God does call you to do, you'd touch a lot of lives with the truth of the Gospel (love God, love neighbor) instead of confusing people and involving them in non-productive side-show silliness that actually serves to keep people distracted from the real issues of faith and life that confront us today.
Please don't email me any further. I've already wasted too much time bothering with your silliness.
- R. L. H.
There is a very good reason to clear up questions concerning Darwinism—very good moral reasons, the kind that directly affect how we love. As I have argued at length in Moral Darwinism, the moral implications of Darwinism imply that we ought to embrace eugenics. Darwin himself was a eugenicist, as is amply clear from his Descent of Man, published just over a decade after the more famous Origin of Species. Many, many Darwinists after Darwin argued that it was an act of love to remove the unfit from the human populace—indeed, science demanded it. So whose definition of love is correct?
-- Benjamin Wiker
Dr. Benjamin Wiker is not helping us to become informed about the situation.
He critiques the National Geographic article as "fluff and flash" and an
"unambiguous public relations presentation of evolution" but then he focuses
his attention on Darwin, Darwin's theory, and whether Darwin is right or
wrong.
Anyone who takes a cursory look at the history of science will see that
there is a difference between biological evolutionism and Darwinism.
When serious scientists question "Darwinism," they are not questioning
that biological evolution has occurred. There is enough evidence that
microevolution and macroevolution has occurred in nature and continues to
occur.
When serious scientists question "Darwinism" they are questioning whether
Darwin's theory of natural selection is sufficient for explaining how
biological evolution has occurred.
- J. M.
On the contrary, there is not sufficient evidence that macroevolution has occurred, anymore than there is sufficient evidence that the first living cell arose from some fortuitous pre-biotic chemical soup. There is a difference between “biological evolutionism and Darwinism,” but the National Geographic article was explicitly focusing on the truth of Darwin’s theory. Thus, I agree—serious scientists do question whether Darwin’s theory of natural selection is sufficient, and that is precisely why the National Geographic article should have given readers a full dose of the actual ambiguity rather than a public relations hurrah for Darwin.
--Benjamin Wiker
(Evolution means nothing more than change) - R. P.
Often those who insist that evolution can't possibly be right talk about Creationism, based of course, on Judeo-Christian scripture, as the alternative. Perhaps they're not aware that a whole spectrum of creation explanations exist in the vast array of non-Judeo-Christian religions, past and present.
If their Creationism is taught in schools, as an alternative to evolution, then I think that the ancient Egyptian, Norse, Chinese, Incan, Polynesian, and Greek/Roman explanations (to name a few) deserve at least equal time, inasmuch as there is just as much data supporting those stories as the Judeo-Christian one.
Those who deny the truth of evolution basically are saying that mere matter couldn't possibly give rise to life, intelligence, and by extension, themselves (isn't human ego marvelous?).
The problem with their objection is this...there is nothing "mere" about matter. And if you don't like it, complain to God about it. He's the one who set it up that way.
- H. M.
I agree, at least in part. We should keep these two questions separate: (1) Is Darwinism or even neo-Darwinism an adequate scientific theory, and (2) Is the Judeo-Christian creation account, or some other religious account, supported by science. My article and the National Geographic article both focused only on the first question. As for mere matter giving rise to life, merely materialistic origins research has fallen on hard times. The latest scientific evidence does not support a merely material production of the first living cells (and so I am not complaining to God).
--Benjamin Wiker
I fail to see the validity of the INtelligent Design approach to origins. I think it argues exactly opposite to what its proponents try to defend. If God is such an intelligent designer, why all the "goofs" - 99.99% of all species that have appeared have disappeared. How about cancer? How about disfigurement? Placing God as the origin of something can, in addition, fall on its face when science later proves a natural explanation of that very thing. I like God as the underlying grounding support of novel forms of order instead, rather than a fixed designer (cf. Haught, "Responses to 101 Questions on God and Evolution.")
Why do multiple sciences independently from their discoveries point to evolution if evolution is not true? No, I disagree with you. I believe evolution is a valid theory ("theory" is not a "guess"in science!!), and is indeed the process by which God has created. I find no contradiction with Scripture - unless someone opts for a literalistic reading of Scripture. In which case his approach to Scripture is deficient, not the scientific evidence he refutes. signed, a strong-faithed believing and faithfully practicing follower of Jesus Christ... and, I might add, faithful and loving reading of Scripture.
- E. D.
You are certainly correct that a theist does not have to believe that God created every single species from scratch, and that God can act to support the production of new species through natural causes, including through evolution (properly understood). But you should note that, on your own terms, the problem of evil does not go away, it is only reformulated: Why did God use evolution as a means of creating new life forms in such a way that there are “goofs” and “99% of the species…have disappeared”?
--Benjamin Wiker
The issue is not (or should not be) whether Darwin is right or wrong
but whether Darwin's theory of evolution is BOTH necessary and
sufficient. Necessary it rightly is, even on a microscale, as it is
based on sound observational science. However, the problem arises when
we try to extrapolate it to the earliest events in the succession of
life: any scientist will admit that the further away from the data
base a process is extrapolated, the greater the possible error; in this
case, the greater the uncertainty.
The question comes down to the issue of cause and effect: whether one
assumes a gdanken experiment (electricity in the warm puddle) or a Big
Bang or divine intervention as the first act of life, each of these
events must be, by scientific definition, uncaused since they are
claimed to be the first in the succession. And if, so, the actual
singularity would be the ONLY uncaused event in the modern theory of
cause and effect which is dominant in scientific investigation.
Would it not rather be better to accept Hume's position that there is
no cause and effect, only, in matters of human conduct, experience,
existence and choice? Then evolution is established as an ongoing
process, part of the great interdependent web of which we are a part,
and the issue of first causes becomes moot, one for discussion during
long winter nights.
One of the key features in modern education is an unwillingness to
teach this principle: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
If this were taught, one could start with Darwin's account of
evolution, examine the data concerning the events to which it is
applied and regard all other related issues as indeterminant, neither
favoring nor disfavoring evolutionary theory on one hand or creation
theory on the other.
Or to put it more simply, there is no need for an argument between the
proponents of evolution and creation science, as neither are presently
(or theoretically) provable to be both a necessary AND sufficient
account of how we come to find ourselves here. The energies devoted to
this attractive question of credo, could be better applied to the
harder, uglier question of praxis: How can we each live a good enough
life?- One which can draw gracefully to a close with no regrets or
remorse for acts done or not done.
- J. B.
I agree that evolutionists should provide evidence, rather than mere extrapolation, especially in regard to macroevolution and the origin of life, and that we ought to distinguish in all things, between necessary and sufficient conditions. But I do not see that we are forced to accept Hume’s notion that there is somehow no actual cause and effect, and I doubt Mr. Hume would either if he could be brought back to life and put in a sufficiently bracing position, such as having to hold a lit stick of dynamite. As the fuse got shorter, I’m sure he would become an ever more ardent believer in cause and effect.
--Benjamin Wiker
While I do work for a church and consider myself to be a Christian, I cannot say that I agree with the argument put forth in this article. It seems as though the author was attacking Darwinian evolution, or the theory that evolution occurred very slowly over long periods of time, while completely ignoring the more recently theorized versions of evolution which involve a more realistic answer to the difficult questions of how evolution might be conceivable. These more modern versions hold that evolution, at least not macroevolution, did not take place gradually but was a result of a mutation in one member of the species which caused that member to be superior in one way or another. An example of this would be that rabbits used to have very small ears, but one rabbit was born with larger ears and was better able to hear approaching prey, thus making that rabbit and any rabbit that it past that gene down to more likely to survive than a rabbit without large ears. It seems to me that this article argued the easy points while ignoring the more difficult issues. That being said, I don’t see why Christians have such a problem with evolution. To me, it is very similar to the question of, “why does it rain?” There are two answers: one, God made it rain; the other, moisture collected in the form of water vapor in clouds until the pressure changed and the water could no longer stay in the form of vapor and turned into liquid and fell from the sky. Both answers are correct, why can’t evolution and creation work in the same way? The only difference is that it would require fundamentalists to admit that the creation story in their respective sacred texts had to be taken on a more figurative level, at least in respects to their timeline.
- T. Q.
Mutations are almost invariably harmful, rather than helpful, and the one that you note would probably not be a mutation but would rely on existing gene variations in among the population. It is only by very wishful extrapolation that Darwinists have thought it possible to rely on a string of such lucky accidents to build entirely new body plans. What extraordinary explosion of beneficent mutations could have caused the Cambrian explosion? I agree that the question of the truth about the various claims of evolution should be similar to the question of “why does it rain?” That would keep them much more honest about supplying supportive data.
--Benjamin Wiker
I may not always agree with your perspectives, but I absolutely love the fact that you are trying to integrate theology and the real world. Keep up the good work!
- R. M.
My contention has been this: even if we do accept the THRORY of evolution, how can you accept a progression from simple to advanced live forms. One would assume that it would have gone the opposite way, from simple to more simple. Thanks for your article. - R. L.
I was notably impressed by Dr. Benjamin Wiker's evaluation of the National Geographic article on Darwinism's current credibility among academia and the scientific community. As an avid proponent of intelligent design (God being the Intelligent Designer), I am encouraged that there still exists learned men and women of intellect and insight, like Wiker, Saunders, Goodwin, etc. who recognize that truth is not relative to its evidence, but rather, evidence is relative to its truth.
Proponents of Darwinism presuppose a specific truth and strive to validate this presumption by an application of unsubstantiated and highly suspect evidence to the exclusion of any other possibilities. That, I am afraid, exhibits the epitome of dogmatic bigotry and intellectual arrogance.
But, then again what do I know............ I'm one of those narrow-minded, Bible-thumping fundamentalists that everyone keeps talking about.
- D. P.
I am just so sad about this subject. How did we ever come up with all of this embyro's in the first place? I have a daughter ( 5 yrs.) diagnosed with spinal muscular atrophy and if they said they could cure her with this research I still would be against it. Kill a life to save a life. NO thank you, I will wait upon the Lord. - J. M.