Whose God Are We Talking About?

 

Christopher Hitchens is on the road railing against a God of his own creation. Last week he stopped at Georgetown University debating Christian apologist Alister McGrath. We asked Ramesh Ponnuru to weigh in from his ringside seat to inform tothesource readers who were not able attend. Hitchens’s next stop is New York where he will debate Dinesh D’Souza. Stay tuned for a first hand report next week!

 
October 16, 2007
by Ramesh Ponnuru
 

The journalist Christopher Hitchens continued his prosecution of an imaginary God last night, in front of almost eight hundred people at Georgetown University. The counts of the indictment were familiar: God is a tyrant, inspiring all manner of evil and holding back the development of the human race. He is not responsible for anything good that any human being has ever done: people knew that murder was wrong before the Ten Commandments were allegedly handed down. He is responsible for “deranged” and “suicidal” doctrines such as that we should love our enemies. Hitchens deems the notion that the torture and killing of Jesus of Nazareth saved humanity barbaric, a reversion to scapegoating and a denial of the personal responsibility of each sinner, and thus of the possibility of morality. Luckily, in the light of modern science we can now see that God’s existence is wildly improbable, and only those with a childish need for wish-fulfillment can pretend otherwise.

Anglican theologian Alister McGrath took up the defense. Evils, he pointed out, have been committed in the name of religion and in the name of a great many other things, including such good things as liberty. The safe conclusion is that human nature, not religion, is at the root of human evil. McGrath asserted, in passing, that Hitchens’s evolutionary account of morality cannot work. (What McGrath meant, I take it, is that no one can get from the description of how moral instincts came to be to any normative statement about which instincts should be followed and when.) Hitchens, McGrath added, is a man of faith whether or not he realizes it.

As against Hitchens’s portrayal of God as a “celestial dictator,” McGrath pointed out that God does not compel belief in Him but merely offers His love for the taking. He is a “celestial liberator.” Why should Hitchens feel oppressed, McGrath asked, by a Hell in which he does not believe? In seeing him as a dictator to be overthrown, however, Hitchens revealed that wishful thinking works both ways: Many atheists, McGrath averred, want God not to exist because they see Him as the source of constraints they would rather not have.

The debaters often passed each other in the night. McGrath never explained how substitutionary atonement—the notion that Christ died for our sins—is compatible with personal responsibility. Hitchens’s explanations, meanwhile, didn’t explain anything. Stalin was a type of theocrat, in his view, and Soviet communism a type of faith, and one that could never have succeeded if Russians had not for centuries been conditioned to believe in the divine right of czars to rule them. McGrath did not pounce on this comic circularity. If the putative evil of religion can so easily be detached from monotheism, then perhaps it is, as McGrath said, a propensity in human nature to evil and fanaticism that is to blame; and perhaps Hitchens’s version of atheism is not so pure as he supposes.

If you are anything like me, then at a debate you always wish that the fellow on your side had made a few additional points—and if you’re the fellow debating, you think of additional points you should have made afterward. Leaning as I did to McGrath’s side, I wish that he had challenged Hitchens’s planted axioms more forcefully. Hitchens seems to believe that he has scored a telling point against religion by observing that there is no morally good action that a non-religious person could not perform, and no morally good utterance that he could not say. This isn’t true, by the way: an unbeliever cannot pray for you, which is a good thing for him to do—and to deny that it is a good thing to pray for others is, again, circular

But Hitchens is simply wrong to say, as he did, that Christians deny the existence of innate moral instincts. Scripture tells us of the moral law written on our hearts. Christianity does not claim that every moral truth it embraces can be known only by Christians.

The defense of religion is not, finally, important. The debate was titled, “Religion: Poison or Cure?”—a reference to Hitchens’s recent bestselling book, God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. But “religion” is neither good nor true, any more than all “alcohol” is tasty; it all depends on what form it takes. Against the particular truth claims of Christianity, which make it good, Hitchens has not dealt a blow.

Hitchens’s God is imaginary. Hitchens is right not to believe in this God. Nobody else does, either.


Dinesh D'Souza is scheduled to appear on Hannity and Colmes tonight at 6:30 (PST) regarding his just released book, What's So Great About America.

http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html


Archbishop of Canterbury attacks atheism and Dawkins’ ‘God Delusion’

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams has attacked atheism and the author of the best-selling book The God Delusion.

Addressing more than 1,000 people at Swansea University, Dr Williams gave a lecture rebutting Richard Dawkins’ assessment of Christianity in his book, saying that atheists had missed the point and failed to understand what Christians actually believe in.

He said, “There are specific areas of mismatch between what Richard Dawkins may write about and what religious people think they are doing.”

He added that he believed Dawkins to be a leading scientist, but a poor philosopher.

“Our culture is one that deeply praises science, so we assume because someone is a good scientist, they must be a good philosopher," Dr Williams said.

Christianity.com

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/archbishop.of.canterbury.attacks.atheism.and.dawkins.god.delusion/13941.htm


D'Souza warms up for the Hitchens debate

On Monday, October 22 I’ll be debating Christopher Hitchens on “Is Religion the Problem?”

The debate is at 7 pm at the Ethical Culture Society auditorium in New York city. It’s open to the public. (Details can be found at tkc.edu.) Marvin Olasky, editor of World magazine, is the moderator. If you come you can pick up a signed copy of my new book What’s So Great About Christianity or bring your copy to get it autographed. It’s going to be a lively debate

As he admitted in a recent interview, Hitchens calls himself an “anti-theist” rather than an “atheist.” Most atheists say that based on the evidence, they believe God does not exist. Hitchens’ position is somewhat different: he doesn’t want God to exist. He hates the idea of God’s existence because he thinks of God as a tyrant who supervises his moral life. Even the tyranny of Stalin or Kim Jong Il, Hitchens says, ends when you die. But this God, he wants obedience and praise and worship even in the afterlife! To Hitchens that’s a form of unceasing subservience and slavery.

So far Hitchens and his fellow atheists have had it relatively easy. Hitchens has been going around the country debating pastors. Pastors are supposed to be models of Christian charity. This means that Hitchens can call them names but they cannot call him names. Pastors are required to turn the other cheek, while Hitchens gets ready to kick them in the rear end. Moreover, pastors are not used to fending off attacks from people who deny the validity of the gospels and, in Hitchens’ case, even cast doubt on the historical existence of Jesus Christ. How can you quote Scripture to a man who denies the authority of Scripture to adjudicate anything?

So Hitchens has a good game going, because he gets to make outrageous claims and they are going mostly unchallenged.

Dinesh D'Souza
townhall.com

Read more:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2007/10/16/my_debate_with_atheist_christopher_hitchens

Debate info:
http://www.tothesource.org/9_25_2007/event_dsouza_hitchens_debate.htm



  Ramesh Ponnuru
Ramesh Ponnuru, a senior editor at National Review, is the author of The Party of Death. Since 1995, he has covered national politics and public policy for National Review. He has also written for other publications including Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, Newsday, Washington Times, Weekly Standard, and K.C. Jones. He is the author of the monograph The Mystery of Japanese Growth published by the American Enterprise Institute and the Center for Policy Studies.

He has been a fellow at the Institute of Economic Affairs in London and has appeared on various television political programs and on numerous radio talk shows. Mr. Ponnuru grew up in Kansas City and went to Princeton University.


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